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Devil's advocate my ass

Do you have any expressions that make your skin crawl?

I’m sure you do. We all do. I know people who, when they hear someone say, “At the end of the day . . .” it’s all they can do to not ram their fist down the speaker’s throat.

There are a million irritating expressions, but the one that drives me nuts is: “Allow me to play devil’s advocate.”

Why? Because it’s bullshit! People only use that expression when they disagree with someone, but they don’t have the guts to say it. When they are trying to avoid any kind of conflict at all costs.

“Let me play devil’s advocate” is nothing more than a code phrase for: “My God, you’re a freaking idiot, and that may be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard, but I can’t say that without getting in an argument with you, so I’ll pull out the old ‘devil’s advocate’ chestnut.”

Here’s a typical example of how it works.

Scene: A typical corporate meeting at a company that puts on conferences for corporate communicators. Sitting around the table is the CEO of the company, a marketer, a designer, and the conference planner.

Marketer: We still haven’t decided on the keynote speaker for next year’s conference, but I had a brainstorm in the shower last night . . . what about Dr. Phil? Everybody loves him, and I think he has a lot to say about communications, right?

CEO (thinking to himself: if that fat gas bag Dr. Phil walks into my conference, I’m going to take one of those little half knives people use to spread cheese onto their horrible bagels and plunge it right into his fat neck): Great idea, Lucy . . . but allow me to play devil’s advocate here. There are some people who actually think Dr. Phil is a useless waste of human blood and tissue, and we could turn those people off if he’s the keynote. It's just something to consider.

Designer: Oh, I don’t know anyone who doesn’t adore Dr. Phil. He’s so down to earth! And if we get him to speak, I think we should forget about doing any text on the cover of the brochure. Instead, we could just run a big picture of Phil, and maybe one big headline that says, oh, I don't know . . . I’m not really a writer . . . but how about: “Let Dr. Phil Show You How to Really Communicate!”

Marketer: I love it! We could even have him pointing at the audience in the picture, so it looks like he’s really talking to them!

Designer: I’ll get started right away!

CEO (Thinking of ways he can fire both the designer and the marketer without hurting morale): Jen, that is really great, and really creative! Someone get Jen a towel, because she’s leaking creative juices all over the floor, heh heh. But allow me to play devil’s advocate here. It’s pretty much common knowledge that the cover of the brochure is what sells a conference. If we use the whole cover on one picture and a headline—as great as that headline is, Jen—aren’t we taking a big risk? What do you think, Rebecca?

Conference planner: If we get that fat son of a bitch to speak, I quit.

CEO: Geez . . . I certainly don’t want any conflict. Maybe we should explore some other options.

If you disagree with someone, say it! You’ll save yourself countless hours of miscommunication if you do.

Anybody else? Anybody got an expression that you’d like to see wiped out of the language?

Comments (53)

Oooh, this is a fun one! Here are a few of my favorites. (But be assured that there are MANY more expressions that drive me nuts. These are just the ones I can think of at the moment.)

At the end of the day

From a business perspective (but replace "business" with almost anything - marketing, sales, store - you name it)

Opportunity (i.e. in place of "problem")

In addition to these phrases that bug the heck out of me, I'm always on a jargon-busting mission. A never-ending mission, sadly, but at least most of my individual changes stick.

Darah:

"Adding Value" when someone is just changing up language in order to make it seem like they have an actual function.

"I don't mean to be unkind, but.." Yes you do! You do! I know you do!!

John C.:

For me, it's "win win" ... as in, "we need to make this a win-win for everyone."

No, we don't.

I also never want to hear how we're going to "net out" at the end of something, "circle back around," "close the loop," or, heaven forbid, gain any "mindshare."

Every time I read or hear one of these phrases, it reminds me of the book "On Writing Well" by William Zinsser. In it, he says, "Clutter is the disease of American writing. We are a society strangling in unnecessary words, circular constructions, pompous frills and meaningless jargon." Well said.

Joan:

This was one of my all-time horrifying moments: when my boss came back from a weeklong management training session and said that the following is what the company's team came up with for its mission over the next year. I am giving this to you word for word.

"This program has validated the objective. We have acquired a fundamental understanding of what consititutes a customer focused organization. We have been exposed to tolls and methodologies to do this. We realize this will be a profound culture change and begin to understand the leadership issues in driving change and gaining commitment for an initiative such as this. We have all agreed to take shared leadership responsibility for the initiative."

Oh my God.

Here's what makes me really sad, though. I know most of the people who attended this training, and they are intelligent, good people who really care about their jobs and this company. And they came back and worked for a year, literally, trying to achieve the goals summarized in that statement. Once a week, several hours at a time, for a year.

I asked my supervisor after about six months of that, "Do you think you're making a difference?" He hesitated, then sighed, then said, "Oh, I don't know. I feel like we're spinning our wheels a lot."

Imagine that.

Thank you, John, for the Zinsser quotation; and thank you, Steve, for another reminder about how important it is to communicate clearly and honestly.

Kims:

"With my x hat on" - replace x with any color that is supposed to represent a human skill; with marketing, sales, or another department; or with a region, e.g. "with my Asia hat on".

This is hilarious, Steve! I recently heard my husband say that a client had decided to take his proposal and "socialize it," meaning discuss it with his colleagues. A colleague of mine in a COMMUNICATIONS department, in a COLLEGE, liked to say, "The design of this brochure is fine -- we just have to work on the LANGUAGING."
Every time I heard that, I felt like jumping out a window. It was such a shame we were on the ground floor.
Recently, I was dismayed to see a quilt labelled as a "sanctuary throw." No doubt that will turn up in corporate lingo soon, as in, "We're going to give the employees this small bonus as a sanctuary throw before we tell them we're axing all their benefits."

Joan, your comment (the part you did not write) made my eyes glaze over and I could not read it and parse it at all. That was amazing!

Neruda:

Oh lord, there are so very many... I wont go on a corporate buzzword bingo rant here, I think we all know those.

Out in the real world, I bristle at "To be honest with you..." Oh, REALLY? Up until that grand pronouncement, can I assume you were being less than honest with me?

I also hate any pronoucement including any percentage greater than 100% - "Oh, he gave 110%" or "She gave us 200%. Or cutesy types who use numbers like "487%" or god forbid the "1000%" or "a million percent" lunatics. ONE HUNDRED PERCENT is ALL YOU HAVE TO GIVE. I guess these days, 100 percent ain't what it used to me.

Neruda:

mea culpa mea culpa mea maxima culpa - make that last "me" a "be"

Victor Zalakos:

...but...
the word "stakeholder" in any context
the word "resource" in place of people

Steve, although your CRAP Awards are primarily for internal communications, I believe you should give a special one to PriceBlabberhouseCoopers for their absolutely awful ad campaign that's running on TV now.

I usually catch it in my half-conscious state as I watch PGA tournaments on TV. There is one that shows some sort of wire with birds sitting on it and a woman's voice talking about how she was the middle of seven children and "at the end of the day" it taught her how to "leverage" her position. At least I think those are the words. All I'm really sure about is that she crams an offensive number of those phrases into one sentence, and what makes it most offensive is that the advertiser doesn't know it's offensive.

One more quick rant: In response to poor Joan's story, the real problem is that nobody -- NOBODY -- in a corporate setting ever has the guts to say, "We can't do this. We must say things in plain English or we shouldn't say them at all." Despite all the mission-quoting, values-embracing bullshit that corporate executives and their minions find it necessary to spout, about how they want employees to "challenge the status quo" and "be thought leaders," at the end of the, um, day they really want everyone to fall in line. They want people to talk like that because it's a sign that everyone is falling in line. They don't want independent thinkers, risk takers, status-quo challengers or, God knows, thought leaders. They want robots.

Not that I'm bitter about it or anything.

Laurel Willoughby:

2 things:

" . . . and don't take this the wrong way but . . . " is a sure-fire clue that they're about to tell you to your face that your butt really is too fat for white pants or that you still smell even though you shower after visiting the gym. Just a cheap way to get in the insult while trying in vain not to be an ass about it.

And Kims, re: "With my x hat on" My boyfriend was in a tizzy the other day when we couldn't find a parking place at high noon at Burger King, and proceeded to sulk and bitch all through lunch. I told him I wish he had warned me he'd be wearing his dick hat that day, and I'd have made other plans. He couldn't keep the "I'm embarrassed to have thrown a fit, being a 42-year-old man and all" smile from creeping onto his face. So now I can squelch his pouts with two simple words--dick hat--and it usually draws a laugh.

Robert, I'm so bitter that my tongue has turned to acid.

Amy:

Um....ok... I am an "at the end of the day," AND "let me play devil's advocate" offender. And I'm SORRY (not for at the end of the day, which I got from some cute BBC adaptation thing), but for the "devil's advocate." But SERIOUSLY, have you ever faced down a room full of fuming execs and panicked? I did, and the devil's advocate gambit really helped. I swear I only used it once, because I was about to get REAMED (even though they really needed to hear what I had to say). Here's one I'd LOVE to see demolished (although now my credibility is shot so you won't take this seriously): "out of the box." Oh, and "out of pocket." Both are horrid.

Stuart:

I had a 'change agent' tell me she had some ideas she wanted to 'socialize' with me. Good grief.

In my experience, people don't claim to be "playing the Devil's advocate" when they honestly think the other person is wrong. They say it when they just want to get a toehold in the conversation at any cost. They say it to make a mess out of something that wasn't a mess to begin with--to break something that was working just fine, thank you--so that they can then somehow be involved in "fixing" it and will look smarter than they really are. And they never have to face the consequences of their destructive ways because, after all, they were "just trying to help." Gad!

Kristen:

I agree with Neruda, one could go on for YEARS with these but I've kinda boiled it down to my corporate version of Carlin's "10 words you can't say on the radio" into Kristen's words that should never appear in a corporate communication. And yes, Steve has talked about some of these, but in fairness he isn't actually forced to USE them like I sometimes am - he just gets to make fun of them. Here then, are the words I would rather eat my own tongue than ever voluntarily use in a communication again:

-Synergy (the most evil word in the English language!)

-Leverage (get over yourself you pretentious boob!)

-Optimize (basically means "you other serfs do even MORE work than you're already doing with even LESS resources and support")

-Mesh (it's now your responsibility to get people to work together who either don't know, or don't like each other)

-Challenge (it's a problem - deal!)

-Dialogue (as in "let's dialogue about this" Are you for REAL!? It's called TALKING!!)

-Transformation - as in "our business is undergoing a 'transformation' (Oh for cripes sakes who do you think you're kidding?! - You're downsizing - just say it!)

Robert and Diane - me...bitter...too!

I'm with Jane -- my experience is that the people who most often play "devil's advocate" believe they have some kind of earth-shattering revelation with which they must enrich us. Typically, the offender walks up to a conversation this is going perfectly fine, thus:

Bruce (the "project manager"): OK, then, it sounds like we don't need to completely overhaul the system, it's a pretty easy fix.

Cheryl (the "specialist"): Yeah, shouldn't be a problem, but don't tell anybody because... uh-oh, here comes Stuart the Change Agent!

Stuart (the "change agent"): I couldn't help hearing you talk about the Focus On Forever project. Uh, let me play devil's advocate for a sec. (Puts his hands together in a praying position with fingers touching his soul patch.) What ... if ... the system ... suddenly blows up and fails???? What would you do then??? What ... iffff .... the North Koreans were to sabotage our entire infrastructure???? It's something to think about.

Bruce: Uh, Stuart. We're a toilet tissue distributor. Why would the North Koreans do that?

Stuart: Yes. Yes we are. But let me play devil's advocate. What .... if...

Cheryl: No, let ME play devil's advocate, Stuart. What if you were to go back to your little visitor's cubicle and staple your earlobes to the desk?

This is just too good of an opportunity to pass up. There are a countless number of phrases in the corporate lexicon that make my blood boil and turn me from a placid Bill Bixby into a roid raging green skinned Lou Ferrigno. Neruda didn’t want to go into a corporate bingo laundry list and I applaud the reserve. I however have no such rant governor.

Touch Base – The most common corporate bastardization of this phrase is usually uttered as “After this meeting, let’s touch base about the plan of action.” I’m assuming you used the words “touch base” because you realized how utterly ridiculous saying, “Let’s have a meeting after this meeting about the plan of action” would sound in a room full of your peers, but why touch base of all things. The phrase is usually uttered by prim and proper managers that couldn’t discern a baseball diamond from Dustin Diamond (Screech from Saved by the Bell and porn star), but I guess it’s their attempt to seem “real” and “in touch”. Try “let’s get together” or come up to me after the meeting and say, “have you got a second.”

Faster Cycles – This innocuous term usually rears its utterly confusing head in regards to services. “We can implement your solution in faster cycles than anyone else.” What exactly is the time measurement of a cycle? Are we referring to the cycle that women are cursed with or are you talking about the Tour de France? How did this even come about?

Service Manager: We need to differentiate ourselves from other service providers. Ideas?

Crony 1: But we’re in a commoditized market?

Service Manager: Shut your mouth or I will move your cube next to the Gimp’s trunk.

Crony 2: Really, you’re such a moron Crony 1. I know we’re pretty fast at what we do; maybe we could tell the customers we can do the job in a month.

Service Manager: No, we can’t guarantee that, but I like where your head is at number 2.

Crony 2: How about in less time than anyone else?

Service Manager: Everyone can say that, but what if we didn’t use real time. What if we came up with our time measurement? Maybe call them CH’s for consulting hours.

Crony 1: I loved the book A Wrinkle in Time.

Service Manager: The gimp is too good for you, come closer and stand in this puddle of water while I hook these electrodes from the car battery under the table to your testicles. Go on about these consulting hours number two while we smell the sweet burning. What would the exchange rate be of consulting hours to real hours?

Crony 2: 1/1000th of a real hour is one consulting hour.

Service managers: I hare fractions and our web master would hate building the conversion chart tables. No, we need something more general that no one can call us on.

Crony 1: I just put together my kid’s big wheel this weekend and he kept clapping and running around in a circle saying “Faster cycle Daddy, faster cycle.”

Service Manager: Eureka! That’s it. Faster cycles. You may now remove the negative wire, but you must leave the positive in place until you have another good idea.

And last but not least:

Let’s Take it Offline: In meetings when the subject matter does not pertain to every person sitting at the table, very often you will hear the facilitator say. “Let’s take that offline to discuss it.” Oh My God, we’re not really in a meeting are we? This meeting must be just a pseudo-realistic virtual construct developed by our machine overlords to keep our collective subconscious placid while we provide valuable energy in the real world to facilitate their goal of ruling the universe. Like the Matrix, but without the cool outfits, hot women and stop action kung-fu. Look coppertop I want to talk about this issue now, not when we get back to Zion and we have that damn nosy Lawrence Fishrbourne listening to our every word.

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Will Daniel:

Joining this one late, but I didn't see anyone else say it, so here goes... "Proactive" doesn't bother me, but it makes my skin crawl when it's misused. CEO: "Oh, man, our competitors kicked our asses last month so our proactive approach will be to lower the price on xyz widgets by 30 percent!"

Well, Mr. Dumbass CEO, that's *reactive* -- not proactive.

And while I'm on a roll... I lived most of my adult life not knowing what devil's advocate really means. I heard a British journalist explain it a couple of years ago. Apparently, whenever someone is up for sainthood a trial is conducted at the Vatican. I don't know what you call those who argue on bahalf of the prospective saint, but those arguing against sainthood are called devil's advocate. I believe the purpose of the trial is to make certain that person really deserves sainthood. It's almost that simple. By the way, I believed what the guy was saying because he described how honored he was to play devil's advocate at the Mother Theresa beatification.

Will

Chuck:

The word solution should never have an adjective.

Susan Clarke:

"Spend" as a noun.

Beth:

We do not "service" our customers. We "serve" them and provide "services." The only profession that should be "servicing" their customers are prostitutes.

Beth:

whoops. That was supposed to be "professionals." That's why you should always preview!

Steve C.:

HA!!!!

I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again . . . the funniest communicators in the biz comment on this blog. Why I'm so blessed, I'll never know.

Steve C.

I know someone who can use every phrase in that list in one sentence and be dead serious about it.

Not a buzzword/phrase, but still a pet peeve of mine. "I want." I don't care what you want. No, really, I don't. I will do what works, what sounds good, what appeals to the audience, what gets results, but I will not do what you want simply because you want it. Your ego is not my motivation.

Did anyone mention "engage"?

And howzabout those double "is-es" and "was-is-es"?

As in,

"The problem is, is that it sounds ridiculous,"

and--no, I'm not making this up--

"The problem was, is that it was idiotic."

I used to only HEAR this, but now I'm actually starting to see it in writing.

Getting down to some serious grammar here:

"I" as the object of a proposition: "I made dinner for Sue and I." People especially like to do this because they think they're right and it makes them feel smart.

"Myself" and "yourself" used improperly in myriad ways: "Myself and Irene went to the theater." "I'm fine today, and yourself?"

And for pure irritation, how about "spot on" used by anyone without a British accent?

We don't let accountants get by with using a 4 when they really mean a 5. Why should we let anyone get by with using words that are either wrong or just don't make sense?

Will Daniel:

Jane, if you want to see lots and lots of ridiculous stuff like that in writing, try teaching freshman English in a community college. Last week I was inundated with "would of," "could of" and "might of," instead of "should've," etc. When clueless airheads are thrown into a situation where they have to write something they've only heard in the past, the results can be a comedy of errors.

Another good one is when they try to show off their Latin skills with "per say" [sic].

Will

Will, my masochism beats yours: I teach four sections of freshman English GRAMMAR LAB in a community college. I'm having a blast, but you should see their mouths gape when I'm working up a head of happy steam over prepositional phrases.

Robert: ["We don't let accountants get by with using a 4 when they really mean a 5. Why should we let anyone get by with using words that are either wrong or just don't make sense?"] Why aren't you president or pope or married to Sandra Bullock or something? You're all that!

Will Daniel:

Jane, I admire you for the sheer ability to teach the lab course. I don't have the stomach or the patience for it. I was offered one this semester, and my response was, "I do not have confidence in my ability to teach college freshmen what their third-grade teachers should have taught them."

Will

Will Daniel:

Robert, I too have to hand it to you for that accountant comment. I don't know about Jane's suggestion of electing you president or Sandra Bullock's husband, but if you become pope can I be a devil's advocate?

Will

Will Daniel:

More... (you guys really got me on a roll here). I believe wholeheartedly in the evolution of the language. When a word appears in the dictionary due to saturated overuse or misuse, I always cave in and allow the usage. One such item was so near and dear to me for about 15 years, I got downright emotional recently when I saw it in the dictionary: As hard as I fought it for all those years, "transition" now shows up in at least one dictionary as a verb. It still pisses me off, but I guess I'll just transition my old ass out of here.

Will

I could be wrong but didn't this all start with Corinthian leather?

keith

Thank you, Jane. If you could arrange for me to be married to Sandra Bullock -- or just be in her general vicinity -- or be married to ANY woman who is smart, attractive and appreciates a romantic guy -- you would be my BFF.

Did I mention how much I hate TXT MSG abbreviations, too?

Robert

Cindy:

This is a subject near and dear to my heart...Not only do I labor at my job as an internal communicator, trying to eradicate all corporate-speak and grammatical errors (spelling, punctuation, word usage, etc.), this sickness affects my personal life as well. Just this week, I took the liberty of editing a letter from my daughter's grade-school principal (who was selected as our local principal of the year in 2006). It was riddled with mistakes, such as missing commas, noun-pronoun disagreement, incomplete sentences and incorrectly capitalized words (Since when is "Library" a proper noun?). The mistake that sent me over the edge was her use of "perspective" as an adjective when discussing potential future students. Got my red pen out, circled that unforgivable error and wrote "prospective" off to the side. Then, in the dark of night, I slipped the anonymous marked up letter under the school office door. I've vowed to be her mystery editor for the rest of the school year.

Oh yeah, although it's not corporate-speak, I regularly hear the following gaffes -- a la "The Office's" Michael Scott -- from our Communications VP, no less:

supposably --> supposedly
precipitized --> precipitated
converged --> conversed
fluent --> affluent
tone & tenure --> tone & tenor
vagrant --> flagrant
irregardless --> regardless

...and my personal favorite: Braxton Hicks (when he meant to say Myers Briggs)

Cindy, those are hilarious! However, it's also sad that a communications VP would make those mistakes.

Of course, it's no worse than our president (and, to be fair, other presidents from other political parties) saying "nucular" when they mean "nuclear." What's so hard about that? Nu. Clear. Nuclear.

And you are my hero for red-penning (oops, didn't mean to invent a verb) your school principal's mistakes. I have done the same thing to my sons' teachers. These people are teaching our children, for God's sake!

Robert

neruda:

That braxton hicks thing made me LOL (Hi Robert). But I did. Actually laugh out loud, I mean. That is AWESOME, and how I am going to refer to that horoscope-in-sheep's-clothing from here on out.

Stacy MK:

Also getting in on this late.

Long time reader, first time participant (a shout out to certain baseball fans out there):

Any sentence combining the words "Chicago Cubs" and "Bartman."

Stacy MK:

Also getting in on this late.

Long time reader, first time participant (a shout out to certain baseball fans out there):

Any sentence combining the words "Chicago Cubs" and "Bartman."

Steve C.:

Stacy:

Or Cubs and "black cat" or Cubs and "69" and Cubs and "Padres" or Cubs and "2003" and Cubs and "curse" and Cubs and "ground ball to Durham" and Cubs and "ground ball to Rodriguez" and Cubs and "billy goat" and Cubs and "loveable losers."

This is our year, God damnit, and we need to prepare mentally for success.

Steve C.

ShariS:

How about higher-ups who use the word "we" when they actually mean "you?" For example, "We need to get this draft rewritten by tomorrow." Of course, said exec has no intention of participating in this activity.

Beth:

ShariS: Ah, yes. The imperial we. Ever so popular with higher-ups with a royalty complex!

My usual answer to that is, "Great! When are we getting together to do that? I have my calendar right here." I don't mind you giving me an assignment, but don't make it sound like you're going to help me when you aren't going to. sheesh.

Sean D.:

I once heard a fairly senior manager at my last company say "The launch date for that product hasn't been decisioned yet." I'm fairly certain I made a little choking sound when I heard "decisioned." To hide my chagrin, I carefully wrote the word down in large block letters on my notepad, causing the writer next to me to get a severe case of the giggles.

Cindy:

Yeah, Sean. I frequently make note of such boners (can I say that?!) during staff meetings...hence the list I shared earlier. I also recall the use of "popish" when our VP meant "capiche," and I've actually heard the word "pletchora" used by a manager in Marketing when she meant "plethora." It's enough to make one go absolutely mad...if it weren't so absurd. When these mispronunciations happen, several of us share knowing glances and squelched smiles across the table. Childish? Yes! But it adds an entertaining spin to an otherwise mundane day in the corporate world.

"Teamplayer." Hate that one with a severe passion. Teamplayer, in my mind, is a synonym for "suck up."

Steph:

"In other words...."

This typically means one of two things:

1) I think you are stupid, and I need to explain myself at least three or four times, using different words each time, to get it through your fat, thick head.

2) I just took two hours of your time to describe something I could have explained in the following three little words, but dang, I sound so *smart* when I use all those neato big words.

Steve S.:

Steve C,

Long-time troller, first time participant, fellow southside Cub fan.

Are you predicting the future with the ground ball through Alex Rodriguez's legs? Or the 2003 groundball through the legs of Alex Gonzalez?

A favorite of mine outside the corporate world is the quote from the athlete or sports radio personality. "There's no question about it." Well, actually, there is. Otherwise, we wouldn't have asked it.

REPORTER or CALL-IN SPORTS FAN: Do you think the Cubs are prepared mentally?

ATHLETE or TALK RADIO HOST: "There's no question about it..."

How closely aligned are the canned responses in the world of sports and those coming from executives?

Jim M.:

What, no "low hanging fruit"? I thought someone would have picked that one much earlier in the conversation. Sorry (sort of) for the pun....

Greg Marsh:

Beth, I love you. If anywhere near as much "servicing" was going on where I work as is alluded to, there'd be a lot more smiling faces around the office. And here's one I don't recall anyone citing here (maybe because everyone else has abandoned this fight): impact. A noun. Only a noun, except in certain dental references.

Robert, I love you, too. But Beth is more my type.

Greg

michael clendenin:

Needless to.....well, you know.

No need, so I won't

Rachel:

My previous least favorite was "let's not reinvent the wheel."

I've now changed jobs and that old headache inducer has been replaced with a new one "let's be sure we're walking our talk."

Ugh!!


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HURRICANE IKE DEVASTATES TEXAS... WHY DIDN'T THE TV PREACHERS GATHER AT THE SHORE, REBUKE THE HURRICANE WITH THEIR "DIVINE" POWER AND STOP THE STORM?..... ELECTION UPDATE: WILL JOE BIDEN DROP OUT AS VICE PRESIDENT... AND OBAMA CHOOSES HILLARY AS HIS VP, THE DEMOCRATIC "DREAM TEAM"? ... THIS COULD BE WHAT THE BIBLE CODE IS TELLING US?... (JOE BIDEN- BAD HEALTH).... BIBLE PROPHECY ALERT.... CLOWNS IN THE PULPIT.... LIARS ON TV... READ THE FINAL PROPHECY.... LET GOD SET YOU FREE....

THE PROPHECY OF THE CHURCH OF PHILADELPHIA AND
TWO RAPTURES: THE MOST IMPORTANT PAGE ON THIS SITE.

6.6.06: ANTICHRIST REVEALED BY PASTOR HARRY



1982 AD: THE YEAR DANIEL'S SEAL
WAS BROKEN, TWO RAPTURES
REVEALED

MISSION STATEMENT

WHY THE NAME OF OUR SITE?


SHOCKING PHOTO: SATAN CAUGHT ON FILM?


9.6.08: BIBLE CODE ALERT: OBAMA ASSASSINATED
HILLARY NOMINATED: TWO CODES: SEPTEMBER & OCTOBER
HILLARY WELCOMES & ACCEPTS ANTICHRIST, 2010 AD

AS PART OF A MAJOR FILM DOCUMENTARY
THE ANCIENT TOMB OF OSIRIUS- OPENED
ANTICHRIST REVEALED: PART 2
IS THIS PHOTO THE FACE OF THE BEAST?

BIBLE CODE: ELECTION 08: A ROLLER COASTER RIDE IN TRAGEDY?

BARACK OBAMA IS NOT THE ANTICHRIST
AN INTERNET RUMOR THAT MAY SPELL DEATH

IN TERMS OF BIBLE PROPHECY, DOES IT REALLY MATTER WHO
WE VOTE FOR? CAN EITHER PRESIDENT STOP THE APOCALYPSE?

BIBLE CODE: WHY THE 8-8-08 ATTACK DID NOT HAPPEN?

THE MOVIE "WANTED" PROMOTES
THE LUCIFERIC DOCTRINE

8-19-08... RUSSIA THREATENS NUCLEAR STRIKE ON POLAND IF THEY DEPLOY USA MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM.... 7-20-08... VATICAN TELLS US TO ACCEPT ALIENS AS OUR FRIENDS AND SPACE BROTHERS.... POPE BENEDICT ALSO CALLS ON CATHOLIC YOUTH TO HELP BUILD A "NEW AGE"... FREE OF SELFISHNESS AND GREED... THE POPE ALSO WARNS WE MUST WORK TOGETHER TO SAVE THE EARTH FROM GLOBAL WARMING... POPE BENEDICT MAY AS WELL BE THE SPOKESMAN FOR ANTICHRIST (666) FOR THIS IS THE EXACT MESSAGE THAT ANTICHRIST WILL (INITIALLY) BRING TO THE WORLD.. "WATCH AND BE READY"... (Mt:24:44)... 7/9/08... IRAN TEST FIRES MEDIUM- RANGE BALLISTIC MISSILES THAT CAN CARRY A NUCLEAR WARHEAD AND HIT ISRAEL AS WELL AS USA WARSHIPS IN THE PERSIAN GULF AND USA BASES IN IRAQ... IS AN ISRAEL-USA ATTACK ON IRAN IMMINENT... BEFORE 8-8-08? ....LEARN HOW TO ESCAPE THE COMING HOLOCAUST IN THE FIRST OF TWO RAPTURES....

WARNING: The subjects we discuss on our radio show are of a highly controversial nature and may cause hostility and rage in some individuals. Pastor Harry is a trained professional and has experience in dealing with these situations. KIDS, DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME.

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DOES THE BIBLE PREDICT 2010 (5770) AS THE START OF THE TRIBULATION?

SURVIVAL GUIDE TO THE END TIMES: "BE PREPARED NOT SCARED"

BIBLE CODE SOLVES CAYLEE ANTYHONY CASE

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THE TRUTH OF THE ILLUMINATI, THE ONE
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BTR ARCHIVE ALERT: LISTEN TO PASTOR HARRY DISCUSS HIS NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE AND ENCOUNTER WITH SATAN. SEE OUR BLOGTALK RADIO ARCHIVES: SEPT 11 08 SHOW. (Click the radio show link-above).

JESUS WARNS THE END TIMES WILL BE AS THE "DAYS OF NOAH".... WHEN THE FLOOD CAME UPON THE WICKED WORLD OF OLD AS A TOTAL SHOCK... DON'T BE LEFT BEHIND... LEARN HOW TO ESCAPE 666.... IN THE FIRST OF TWO RAPTURES....

People often write and ask, "How do I become Worthy of Heaven and The First of Two Rapture Events? The answer is simple, STOP listening to the false and twisted Dogma of The Churches and START to listen to what JESUS said, His Words in Red. READ AND FOLLOW THE LORD'S PRAYER, do the things that JESUS said and you will be WORTHY to ESCAPE 666, The Coming Tribulation, the "time of testing that shall come upon all those who dwell upon the face of the whole earth". (Lu:21:34-36).

WICKED WEATHER U.S.A., THE JUDGMENT OF GOD



OUR MESSAGE: I BELIEVE GOD IS CALLING A FAITHFUL REMNANT TO HIMSELF, OUT OF THESE CORRUPTED, LYING CHURCHES AND AWAY FROM THE FALSE TV MINISTRIES. ONLY THESE TRUE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS WILL ESCAPE 666 IN THE FIRST OF TWO RAPTURES.


AMAZING PROOF THAT THE BIBLE CODE IS REAL


BIBLE CODE: BIO ATTACK ON PHILADELPHIA PREVENTED!.... IN GENESIS, GOD TOLD ABRAHAM, "I WILL SPARE THE CITY OF SODOM IF THERE ARE TEN RIGHTEOUS.".... I BELIEVE THERE WERE TEN "RIGHTEOUS", AT LEAST TEN, TRUE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS IN THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA.... AND THIS IS WHY GOD USED THE BIBLE CODE TO PREVENT THIS ATTACK AND SPARE THE CITY FROM THE HORROR OF AN EBOLA OUTBREAK.... AMEN.

BIBLE CODE: 6.6.08 BIO ATTACK ON PHILADELPHIA PREVENTED THE BIBLE CODE AS A PROPHETIC WARNING SYSTEM


MAY 8, 08, ISRAEL "Reset" Doomsday saying "ISRAEL now believes IRAN will have a nuclear weapon between the next three months and SEPT 2009". This means Israel must launch a military strike to at least destroy Iran's Nuclear Facility at Natanz. IN ALL PROBABILITY, THIS ATTACK ON IRAN WILL HAPPEN WHILE PRESIDENT BUSH IS STILL IN OFFICE AND IS A STRONG ALLY AND DEFENDER OF ISRAEL.HOW IS YOUR ESCAPE PLAN? (Lu:21:34-36, Matt:24:40-44,Rev:3:8-10).


BIBLE CODE: MAY TERROR ATTACK
ON PHILADELPHIA = EBOLA
ORIGINAL PAGE: FIRST POSTED AUG 2005

MY LETTER TO PRES. AHMADINEJAD OF IRAN: IN THE GOSPEL
JESUS DID SAY TO "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES" AND SO WE DID.

22 JUNE 08... END TIMES ALERT... RECORD HEAT WAVE AND FIRES HIT CALIFORNIA AS THEY START TO ISSUE "SAME-SEX" MARRIAGE CERTIFICATES.... MAY 15 2008... "DAY OF ABOMINATIONS"... CALIFORNIA PASSES LAW THAT MAKES GAY MARRIAGE LEGAL..... ABOMINATION # 2... SCIENTISTS WORKING OUTSIDE OF USA LAW DEVELOPED TECHNOLOGY TO CREATE DESIGNER CHILDREN... CUSTOM EMBRYOS FOR SALE..... SCIENCE NEWS... 29 JAN 2008... THE ASTEROID PREDICTED TO HIT MARS MADE A NEAR PASS OF EARTH ON TUESDAY, IS THIS CLOSE PASS OF AN ASTEROID TO EARTH A SIGN THAT THE ANCIENT COMET PLANET (NIBIRU) IS COMING TOWARDS EARTH?..... READ THE ABOVE PAGE: DOOMSDAY CLOCK - THE COMING OF THE COMET PLANET...

WHERE WILL YOU BE WHEN THEY LAND?

QUICK SEARCH: TOP TEN LINKS ON OUR SITE:


TWO RAPTURES ANTICHRIST SALVATION BOOK STORE BIBLE CODE OBAMA HILLARY 08 BILLY GRAHAM UFOS & BIBLE SANTA BE GONE SERPENT SEED

9-13-08: Hurricane IKE devasted Texas and with GUSTAV weeks before, we must ask, where were the TV Preachers? Kenneth & Gloria Copeland, Benny Hinn, TBN and Joel Olsteen, these quote "men of faith" (and Texas residents) tell us to rebuke sickness and poverty and claim healing, wealth and success. Why didn't these TV Preachers gather at the shore at Galveston, TX, REBUKE the hurricane and make it stop?

Because these Tv Preachers know they are liars, thieves, and frauds, they know they have no real power and they would be exposed to all. So they hide when the hurricanes come and re-emerge when it's safe, preaching their lies of "claiming" health, wealth and prosperity and fleecing the naive, the gullible and the greedy.

LOCATE THE NEAREST DEATH CAMP IN YOUR AREA
FOR THE "LUKEWARM" AND ALL WHO BELIEVE BIBLE PROPHECY IS A JOKE

MAY 15 08.. DESIGNER BABY TECHNOLOGY HAS ARRIVED....SCIENTISTS WORKING OUTSIDE OF USA LAW HAVE DEVELOPED TECHNOLOGY TO PRODUCE DESIGNER EMBRYOS ... IS THIS TIMED TO THE TERROR ATTACK ON PHILADELPHIA AND WAR WITH IRAN?.... 03 APRIL 2008... BRITISH SCIENTISTS CLONE A HUMAN-ANIMAL (HYBRID) EMBRYO... WHAT IS NEXT? PIG-MEN? LION-MEN? AN ARMY OF APE-HUMAN SOLDIERS?.... 17 JAN 2008...STEMAGEN SUCCESSFULLY CLONES THE FIRST HUMAN EMBRYO BUT DID NOT (YET) IMPLANT THIS IN A HUMAN FEMALE WOMB.... READ "THE FINAL SIGN" AND LEARN WHY BIBLE PROPHECY IS TIMED TO STOP HUMAN CLONING, ETA 2008-2012 AD....

HUMAN CLONING THE FINAL SIGN
WHY BIBLE PROPHECY IS TIMED TO STOP THIS MADNESS

NOSTRADAMUS REVISTED: THE "MABUS ENIGMA",
COULD PRESIDENT BUSH AND AHMADINEJAD BE
MABUS, WHO TRIGGERS W.W.III- AUG 2008 AD?

MAY 23 08....HILLARY CLINTON BELIEVES OBAMA COULD BE ASSASSINATED... DOES HILLARY STUDY THE BIBLE CODE WITH ITS WARNING OF OBAMA ASSASSINATED?....WILL HILLARY ACCEPT THE VP AS A STEPpING STONE TO PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? ... THE BIBLE CODE SEEMS TO SAY "YES".... 5/07/08... ISRAEL RE-SETS "DOOMSDAY" FOR JUNE 2009... ISRAEL NOW FEARS IRAN COULD HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON BY MID 2009... PREVIOUSLY ISRAEL STATED, "WE HAVE UNTIL 2010 TO STOP IRAN'S NUCLEAR PROGRAM OR IT IS TOO LATE... AN ATTACK BY ISRAEL ON IRAN WILL TRIGGER THE BIBLICAL APOCALYPSE... "WATCH AND BE READY"... FOR THE LORD IS COMING SOON FOR HIS TRUE FOLLOWERS... HIS FAITHFUL REMNANT... IN THE FIRST OF TWO RAPTURES....

BIBLE CODE: 2008-2012 AD: OBAMA ASSASSINATED, JOHN McCAIN NOT PRESIDENT, HILLARY CLINTON ELECTED PRESIDENT, ANTICHRIST ARRIVAL: 2010 AD, NEXT TERROR ATTACK ON USA, 8-8-08 CHICAGO 2010 AD EARTHQUAKE IRAN... IS THE BIBLE CODE A PROPHETIC WARNING SYSTEM FOR ISRAEL?

AMAZING, PROOF THAT THE BIBLE CODE IS TRUE

PERSONAL NAMES AND THE BIBLE CODE:
FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

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LATEST BIBLE PROPHECY UPDATES


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FOR THE RECORD: I DO NOT SET A DATE ON THIS SITE WHEN THE FIRST RAPTURE WILL HAPPEN AND THE TRIBULATION WILL START. JESUS TAUGHT US, "NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY OR HOUR EXCEPT MY FATHER IN HEAVEN".(MT:24:36). HOWEVER BY UNDERSTANDING THE BIBLICAL "SIGNS AND TIMES", I BELIEVE THERE IS A PROPHETIC "WINDOW" FOR ALL OF THESE EVENTS TO BEGIN BETWEEN JAN 2008 AND DEC 22 2012 AD (THE MAYAN YEAR FOR DOOMSDAY) AND TO STOP THE TECHNOLOGY OF HUMAN CLONING.

SANTA BE GONE COMPLETE INDEX PAGE AS
SEEN ON THE HISTORY CHANNEL'S WEIRD US CHRISTMAS SHOW

WHO BELIEVES THE TRIBULATION CAN
START IN SEPT 2008?

COMING SOON!!!
PASTORHARRYTV.COM
FOUND IN ALL FIVE BOOKS OF THE BIBLE CODE

DON'T BELIEVE THE CLOWNS IN THE PULPIT AND THE LIARS ON TV... READ THE PROPHECY OF TWO RAPTURES.... LET GOD SET YOU FREE.... APOCALYPSE NEAR.... SHOWDOWN WITH IRAN... WILL 2008 AD BRING THE FIRST OF TWO RAPTURES AND THE START OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION?... SEE OUR DOOMSDAY CLOCK (LINK) AND FIND OUT.....

26 JAN, 2007: DISCLAIMER FROM PASTOR HARRY: THIS SITE HAS NO ASSOCIATION WITH AND NO CONNECTION TO "JESUS CAMP", "FRIENDS OF GOD", EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANITY, BAPTIST CHURCHES, JERRY FALLWELL, RICK WARREN, TED HAGGARDY OR BILLY GRAHAM. IN MY VIEW, THE ABOVE GROUPS ARE DANGEROUS BIBLE CULTS. THEY DO NOT REPRESENT TRUE CHRISTIANITY AND "JESUS CAMP" SHOULD BE OUTLAWED AS CHILD ABUSE. AND IF YOU FOLLOW ANY OF THESE LEADERS, YOU HAVE A DEMON FOR A PASTOR!

WHAT IF THE BAPTISTS ARE RAPTURED?
LITE THE GLOBAL BONFIRES!

THE HOAX OF PRESIDENT BUSH AS THE ANTICHRIST

GOD'S PLAN FOR THE END TIMES. WHY ANTICHRIST (666) WILL BE ALLOWED TO COME AND LEAD A SECOND HOLOCAUST


CAMPAIGN GIFT FOR JOHN MCCAIN: "CHANGE THAT WORKS"



FAREWELL, FALWELL

A TRIBUTE TO EVIL


HILLARY CLINTON AS PRESIDENT WILL SPELL "DOOMSDAY", 2008- 2012 AD


MARK OF THE BEAST (666): "CHIP IN YOUR HAND,
TATTOO ON YOUR HEAD. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, STARVE AND BE DEAD"

BEWARE: THE NAZI CULT OF SHERRY SHRINER

PROPHECY IS
THE NEWS

IPOD ALERT
XXX MUSIC AND YOUR CHILDREN

DA VINCI CODE
AND THE GOSPEL
OF JUDAS

BIBLE CODE: HOW DID GOD ENCODE THE TORAH?



ESCAPE FROM PLANET EARTH
IN THE FIRST OF TWO RAPTURES

DOOMSDAY CLOCK:
COUNTDOWN: 2012 AD

WELCOME TO THE CIRCUS. UNDERSTANDING
THE MADNESS OF CHRISTIANITY TODAY

ACCORDING TO BAPTIST THEOLOGY
JESUS IS IN HELL!

MY BLOGGER
RAPTURE COUNTDOWN

THE HIDDEN AGENDA OF THE UNITED NATIONS

STAR WARS
THE COMING RELIGION OF ANTICHRIST


PLEASE DONATE: THE FUTURE OF DOOMSDAY TALK
RADIO. DON'T LET THE DEVIL SILENCE THE TRUTH!

... ON 6.6.06... PASTOR HARRY REVEALED THE NAME AND IDENTITY OF THE ANTICHRIST ON THIS SITE AND RADIO SHOW... THIS IS OUR FINAL WARNING AS THE GREAT TRIBULATION IS SOON TO BEGIN...
JUNE 6 2006: 6:06: AM : EST: ANTICHRIST REVEALED

CAUTION: SPEAKING THE NAME OF ANTICHRIST MAY INVOKE GREAT EVIL




JUNE 6 2006
6.6.6.
ANTICHRIST REVEALED
By HARRY WALTHER


THE LOST GOSPEL OF WORTHYNESS WHAT THE CHURCHES ARE REALLY HIDING FROM YOU.


HOMOSEXUALITY: NATURE OR CHOICE?
ARE EVANGELICALS FIGHTING A SECRET WAR WITHIN?

RICK WARREN: WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING AND PROMOTER OF
THE ANTICHRIST AGENDA (666)

SURVIVAL GUIDE TO THE END TIMES: "BE PREPARED NOT SCARED



THE TRUE FACE OF ISLAM


ISRAEL RE-SETS "DOOMSDAY".... MAY 07, 2008... ISRAEL FEARS IRAN MAY HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON BY JUNE 2009 AD... PREVIOUSLY ISRAEL SAID,"WE HAVE UNTIL 2010 TO STOP IRAN'S NUCLEAR PROGRAM OR IT IS TOO LATE."... APART FROM A MAJOR EARTHQUAKE THAT DESTROYS IRAN'S UNDERGROUND NUCLEAR PROGRAM... ISRAEL MUST LAUNCH A MAJOR MILITARY STRIKE TO STOP IRAN'S NUCLEAR PROGRAM... (2009-2010 AD).. THE RESULT WILL BE W.W.III, GLOBAL TERRORISM, ECONOMIC COLLAPSE AND CHAOS... LEADING TO THE FIRST OF TWO RAPTURES.... AND THE START OF THE TRIBULATION... "WATCH AND BE READY"....


"SERPENT SEED" REVISTED: DID THE DEVIL HAVE SEX WITH EVE AND ANTICHRIST WAS BORN?


WHY TWO RAPTURES MUST BE TRUE & THE MYTH OF
THE "FAKE" RAPTURE: TOP SIX END TIMES QUESTIONS-
ANSWERED BY PASTOR HARRY: 5.7.07

WHY DID GOD ALLOW THE VTECH MASSACRE?

SALVATION
TRUTH vs ERROR
BAPTIST vs BIBLE



THE SANTA RAPTURE
CONNECTION
HO HO HO or WOE WOE WOE?


HELL'S BELLS


Why do millions of Baptists and Evangelicals believe The LIE of "Once Saved, Always Saved" (OSAS)? Because they are a wicked, rebellious people and this lie gives them a "license to sin" and delude themselves they have guaranteed Heaven. According to Rev:3:16, GOD shall reject their lukewarm, sinfilled walk and cast them into the Great Tribulation. LEARN HOW TO ESCAPE THE COMING HOLOCAUST.

5.31.07: THE BILLY GRAHAM LIBRARY OPENS TODAY AS A MONUMENT TO SIXTY YEARS OF DECEPTION, LIES AND LEADING MILLIONS ASTRAY!

WHO REALLY ORDAINED BILLY GRAHAM?



6.6.06: ANTICHRIST REVEALED
COME TO FACE TO FACE WITH EVIL.


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